As mentioned before, the process to gather all of my documents and to apply for my Spanish non-lucrative visa was actually MUCH smoother and quicker than I anticipated. I got all my paperwork ready in one week and my visa was approved in only 10 days.
You can read my detailed instructions on how to apply for the Spanish non-lucrative visa here:
Non Lucrative Visa for Spain: How I Applied in Just 1 Week
However, once the non-lucrative visa has been issued, that’s only the first step. You must complete the next steps once you arrive in Spain in order to get your Spanish Residency Card (TIE).
The Next Step: TIE – Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero (Spanish Residency Card)
Once your visa is approved and you either pick up your visa at the Spanish consulate or receive your passport with visa in the mail (whichever option you chose), keep in mind that…
1. You have 3 months to enter Spain from the date your visa was issued
AND
2. Once in Spain, you need to apply for your TIE (Spanish Residency Card) within 30 days
The first part is easy. Just make sure you enter Spain within 3 months of your visa issue date!
The second part is more complicated. But now that I’ve completed the process, I’m going to share every detail on how to get your TIE once in Spain.
Step 1: Certificado de Empadronamiento
In order to get your TIE, you will most likely need to get this certificate from the City Hall first.
Not every city in Spain requires this document for a TIE but many do and here in Valencia, they definitely require it. This is basically an official certificate that shows you are registered as a resident of a particular city or town in Spain. The certificate is typically issued by the City Hall in the town or city where you plan to live in Spain.
With this official document, your life as a resident becomes much easier. Consider it official proof of residency and address, something that comes in handy when dealing with other government offices (such as the office that handles the Spanish Residency Card process).
How to Obtain a Certificado de Empadronamiento
- Passport – Make 2 copies of the details page, your residency visa and your entry stamp into Spain or the Schengen zone. Bring the original passport and copies with you.
- Proof of address – You’ll need a rental contract for a house or apartment that is valid for at least 6 months. Bring the original signed version and a photocopy. (If you are renting a room from someone or staying with family/friend, the owner of the residence might need to come with you to the appointment and they might need to bring a recent utility bill in their name. The rules vary depending on the city/town where you are living.)
- Proof of rent payment – Bring a copy of the receipt you received when you paid your first month’s rent.
- Make an appointment – Check the City Hall’s website and see if you need to make an appointment. Some cities require appointments (such as Valencia) and some cities allow you to simply show up at the City Hall. For Valencia, you can make an appointment here: Cita Previa. Simply choose “Padron” from the list and then fill out the rest of the form.
- Go to the appointment – Show up at the City Hall for your appointment with all the documents above.
For me, once my number was called, the process took about 5 minutes. I gave the woman behind the desk my documents, she asked a couple of quick questions (my level of education, if it was my first time registering in Spain, why I needed the certificate, etc.) and then she printed out two copies of the official certificate right then and there.
That was it. I had the Certificado de Empadronamiento and I was ready to continue the TIE process.
*If you don’t speak any Spanish, you will probably want to have a Spanish-speaking friend or contact come with you.
Step 2: Make an Appointment for your TIE
You can do this before you get your Certificado de Empadronamiento. The only thing to keep in mind is:
- In some cities, you don’t receive your Certificado de Empadronamiento while you wait.
- You might have to return to the City Hall after a few business days to collect your certificate.
- It takes time to gather the other documents you need for your TIE appointment.
Overall, if you allow for at least 2 weeks between your appointment for your Certificado de Empadronamiento and your appointment for your TIE card, you should be good.
Appointment Wait Times
Don’t be alarmed if there are no available TIE appointments for 4 or more weeks. It’s apparently common in some cities for there to be long waits for available appointments. But even though you technically need to apply for your Spanish residency card within 30 days of arriving in Spain, it seems that this rule is ignored. In reality, it has to be ignored since it’s common to wait over a month to get an appointment! So, if the available appointments are 1 or more months away, don’t worry, just book the earliest one you can.
Here’s how to book your TIE appointment:
- Visit this government website
- Choose your province from the drop down list
- On the next page, choose “Policia – Toma de Huellas (Expedicion de tarjeta) Y Renovacion de Tarjeta de Larga Duracion“
- Click “Entrar” on the next page
- Fill out the form with your NIE number (it’s on your visa), your name and country of nationality (Leave the “Fecha de Caducidad de su tarjeta actual” blank.)
- On the next page, fill out your telephone number and email address and choose “Solicitar cita”
- A drop down menu will appear with the office locations you can choose from (I only had one option but you might have more)
- You’ll be taken to a page with a calendar
- Choose a day/time that works for you and confirm your appointment
*Important: Be sure to save the confirmation that appears on your screen as you will absolutely need to take this confirmation paper to your appointment!
*Important: The available appointments change all the time. Keep checking. When I went on the site the first time, the earliest appointment was 4 weeks away. But then I checked one day later and suddenly appointments were available later that same week.
*Important: You need a separate appointment for each person if you are applying as a couple or family.
Step 3: Gather your Documents
Here is a list of everything you need for the TIE appointment:
- Passport – Take the original and 2 photocopies of your passport details page, your visa and the entry stamp you received at immigration when entering Spain, or whichever country in the Schengen zone that you entered first.
- 3 recent passport photos (headshots)
- Appointment confirmation – Two copies of your appointment confirmation document that you saved after making the appointment.
- Resolution letter – This Carta de Resolucion is a simple document that confirms that you did indeed apply for and receive your non-lucrative visa. Yes, even though you have the visa in your passport, you might still need this document. Luckily, it’s very easy to obtain. Visit this official website, fill out the form with your NIE number (it’s on your visa), the date you initially applied for your visa and your year of birth. Click “Consultar” and you’ll be taken to a screen with the details of your visa. Print out two copies of this confirmation.
- Proof of address – Even though I had the Certificado de Empadronamiento, which proves I’m an official resident at the address I listed in Valencia, I still took my official apartment rental contract with me (original and photocopy) as extra insurance.
- Application form – Fill out the TIE application form (Form Modelo EX17) and bring two copies with you. In the end, they didn’t ask for it but I’ve heard that some offices do want the application.
- Form 790 – Codigo 012 – This is the form that helps you pay the fee for your TIE card. You need to fill out the form online, download it, print it out, sign it and then take it to a bank.
When filling out Form 790-012:
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- – Fill out the entire first section (Identificacion).
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- – In the Autoliquidacion section, check the circle next to “
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TIE que documenta la primera concesiĆ³n de la autorizaciĆ³n de residencia temporal, de estancia o para trabajadores transfronterizos
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- “. Do not do anything else in this section.
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- – Under “Localidad”, enter the city in Spain where you are living.
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- – Under “Ingreso”, choose “En efectivo” (paying in cash).
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- – Download the completed form (all 3 pages) by clicking on the blue button at the bottom.
You’ll now need to print out the form, sign it and take it to the bank (in Spain) to pay the fee.
I was told you could go to any bank to do this but I had some difficulties. The first bank told me I could only get this done between 9:30am – 11:00am on Mondays and Thursdays, the second bank just said ‘no’ and the third bank told me to come back the next day. But then I found a tiny branch of Caixa Popular Bank and they helped me take care of it in 3 minutes. Just don’t save this part until the last second!
The current fee for the TIE is 15,74 Euros. You simply pay that amount, the banker stamps your form and you’re good to go.
Keep the stamped form as you’ll need it for your appointment.
*Get a Spanish phone number!: I use Google Fi and can use my US phone number all over the world. However, I did get a local Spanish SIM card from Vodafone so that I could list a Spanish phone number on my documents. This is important as they might not accept a foreign phone number on the forms and in the government registration system.
It’s easy though. It costs 10 EUR at Vodafone for the SIM (comes with 5 GB of data too). I never put the SIM in my phone but at least I can give out that Spanish number and I avoid confusion.
Step 4: Attend your Spanish Residency Card Appointment
Again, if you don’t speak any Spanish, this could be a challenge to do on your own as the staff at the Valencia office didn’t speak any English. I’ve heard the same about most TIE offices in the country. You might want to bring a local friend or contact to assist.
- Arrive for your appointment 20-30 minutes early.
- Wait. (In Valencia, the process was quite organized. You wait outside the building in a line that is arranged by appointment time. Once it’s your turn, they call you inside and you take a seat in the small waiting area. You’ll then be called to one of the desks within a few minutes.)
- Hand over everything they ask for.
- They’ll take your fingerprints.
- You’ll receive a piece of paper confirming your residency.
- They’ll tell you to come back in 1 month to pick up your Spanish Residency Card.
And that’s it.
Then, after 30 days, you can go back and pick up your Spanish Residency Card. You don’t need an appointment for this, just show up and get in the appropriate line.
Good luck and if you have any questions, just let me know!
Hi. I have a question. I have a student visa that doesn’t authorize me to work. Then the school where I am working now applied for an internship visa, and it got approved. My question is, can I do the finger printing while my other visa is still valid. Thank you.
Hi, is it possible to work in a different EU country whilst holding a non lucrative visa in Spain?
Hi! While applying for NLV , Mumbai consulate wanted a Spanish address and we gave of my health care agent residing in Malaga. But we want to stay in Granada, is it ok if we straight away head for Granada to start with all paper work or since we gave malaga address we need to be in Malaga till we receive our cards? Thanks
Hi Derek,
I applied for a year long visa in September 2023 and was given an initial 90 days until December 15th 2023 and need my TIE card to extend it. Iāve found it impossible to get any appointment for the TIE card. Will I still be able to apply for the TIE card after December 15th if I travel to Spain using the 90 days of Schengen travel? Thanks very much
Hi James,
have you found an answer, I have a similar problem.
Hi Derek,
Thank you for your post it is indeed very helpful. May I ask 3 quick questions please?: 1) My NLV (Visado) was stuck to my passport on Feb 15, 2023, but on May 21 2023 the “Resolution Letter” (Carta de Resolucion) still reads “In process”. Does this mean that I cannot still ask for my TIE even with the “visado” stuck to my passport?
2) My Visado is valid until July 11, 2023. Does this mean that if I cant request this TIE by then (either because of lack of appointments available or eternal “In process” status in the Resolution Letter), I should leave the country by then? I am in Valencia.
3) Any tips to get TIE appointments? Is it easier with immigration lawyers?
Thank you,
Daniel
Hey Daniel – If you have the visa in your passport, you’re good. It’s still in process because you need to finish the process once you get to Spain. If your visa is valid until July 11th, you technically need to have a TIE appointment before that date. However, it’s not a big deal and it’s generally okay if the appointment is after that. However, I would try to get an appointment earlier as it makes things much easier. For TIE appointments, you simply need to keep checking, all the time. Eventually, you’ll see appointments open up and as soon as an earlier one opens up, just take it!
Hi Derek,
Thanks for your post.
I have gone through all the stages and I’m just waiting to pick my TIE up on 8th May. However, I’m supposed to fly to Copenhagen on 4th May.
I have a British passport but have now spent more than 90 days in 180 in Europe.
I am worried that 1. Danish authorities will say I have overstayed in Europe and 2. Spain will not let me back in because I don’t have the TIE card.
What do you think? Does the 90 days restart because I am in the process and therefore the days I’ve been in Spain don’t count? And can I travel without having the physical TIE card?
Your help is really really needed and much appreciated!
You should travel with the document that the Spanish authorities give you when you finish your TIE appointment. That piece of paper can be used as proof that you have residency but that you don’t have the card yet.
Hi Derek,
Such a useful Blog and I’m sure it helped many people. Thank you.
Me and My Family all have Valid residency Cards except for My Son who has the old card along with the paper from the Police station you refer to since he couldn’t fly with us when we picked up the new cards. We are traveling from Amman, Jordan in two days to pick up his card. I am concerned that the airline people will give him a hard time Boarding. is there any thing i can print that shows clearly that the residence Authorization that has clearly expiry date of 21.2.2024 is sufficient enough? Thanks
That’s all he needs. The piece of paper is the only thing he can use to show proof.
Hi Derek,
I was able to complete my fingerprint appointment for my TIE card in Madrid last month and went to make my appointment to pick it up this week and realized that I never received a resguardo original (the paper with the stamp they give you at end of the fingerprint appointment) however my friend I went with did get one. I read that this form is necessary to bring to the pick up appointment but I do not have one. Is there any way for me to get my card without it?? I am panicking because my visa expires in December and I am planning to go home for a week in December but worried I will not be able to get back into Spain if I canāt get this card. I have proof of the fingerprint appointment I attended and was still able to make an appointment to pick it up but am missing that form.
Hi Annie, Iām in the exact same situation as you and my appointment to pick up the TIE is tomorrow. I just realized the resguardo is not where I thought it was. Have you gone to the appointment or do you have any update to your situation. Iāve check to see if there maybe be an open appointment to pick up tomorrow but there isnāt one.
Much appreciated
Hi Noah,
Could you be so kind as to advise what has happened here in your situation?
1. Did you have any issues travelling without your TIE card, and was the document you received after your TIE appointment enough to enter denmark and return to spain?
2. Did you find out whether the time spent in spain whilst applying for residency and eventually applying for your TIE is counted as part of the 90/180 schengen days? This is very relevant to me and alot of other people i would assume.
Thanks in advance!
Danny
Hi Derek. I have gone through the complete process and I am just waiting to picking up my TIE card now. Do you know if I am now technically a resident and I can come and go to Spain without incurring any Schengen days i.e. the 90 / 180 rule?
Thanks,
Darren.
Hey Darren – They should have given you an official paper that you can use for proof of residency until you get your TIE card. If you have that paper, you can travel as if you are a resident.
Hi! I hope you can help with my question. My in-laws are on a NLV in Spain, and intend to apply for Residency in 2yrs time. I am in the UK and they have a visa for the Uk and were planning to come for Christmas. But they have just renewing their NLV, and have been told they need authority to leave Spain. If they come to the Uk for 2 weeks (they donāt need a visa to enter the Schengen Zone), will it affect their renewal in 2yrs time? Looking at the rules on the NLV, it only refers to travelling around the EU, but nothing about outside the area.
Thank you,
Ajay
I’m not too sure unfortunately. I only wrote about my experience but I’m not a legal expert on the NLV.
Thanks, Derek. Did you renew your NLV? And if so, did you leave the schengen zone at any time?
Thanks,
Ajay
Iām now in my second year here in Barcelona, having recently renewed by Non Lucrative visa for a further two years.
It is now tax time and Iām having difficulty finding a tax agent who can assist.
Anyone have any recommendations for a tax agent in Barcelona? The last guy I contacted wanted 300ā¬ just to meet, so he was out of the question.
First of all, thanks for the incredible resource and you should be proud that you’ve literally helped thousands of people! I am also attempting to get a non-lucrative visa / TIE in Valencia. I haven’t left Canada yet but was able to snag an appointment for the padron already (I hope!). There seemed to be a few options that had padron in the name, but I went with the “PADRON CP – Juntas Municipales” option, do you have any idea if that’s the correct one?
My next issue is the Carta de Resolucion, I don’t seem to be able to get the website to show me anything, I enter my NIE / date of birth / application date and it shows no results. I am using the date from the “Resguardo de Solicitud de Visado / VISA Enrollment Receipt” that was returned with my passport. There was a website referenced on the VISA Enrolment Receipt (https://sutramiteconsular.maec.es) and if I put in the application ID number along with the date from the VISA Enrolment Receipt, it shows me that the application status is “RESUELTO” and gives me a PDF to download which seems to be an application for a Schengen Visa that was (partially) filled out by who I can only assume was the Consulate in Toronto. It’s mostly blank besides my name, passport number and a few checked boxes. I’m a bit worried they someone only put through a Schengen visa and not a non lucrative visa. The visa sticker in my passport does not mention non lucrative in any way..did yours say something about it being for a non lucrative visa?
Hi Mike, I read your comment. Congrats on the NLV Visa. I am also applying for me and my family at the Toronto Consulate, and I have coule of questions. The main question is about the Authentication of documents (RCMP, Marriage/Birth certificate, Bank Letter, etc..) by Global Affairs Canada, then legalise it at the embassy, then translate it. Currently the authentication at the GAC is taking 50+ business days which will not help with the 90 days validity for the RCMP. I contacted the consulate in Toronto and they informed me that there’s no need to legalise these documents for the NLV application but there might be needed to be legalised for future procedures in Spain. Do you mind share your experience on that? Did you have to Authenticate/legalise/translate these docs for the Visa application? Did you use these docs for the TIE application?. I appreciate your help on that.
Hi Walid,
I did not have to have anything translated for the Toronto consulate. I am in Spain right now and am still attempting to get my TIE card. It’s very difficult to get appointments for anything. So far, no one has mentioned anything about the documents being in english, but I have no gone through the entire process yet.
Good luck.
Hi Mike,
Your comment sounds identical to my situation. I am wondering if you received any advice on which drop down selection on the appointment website is the correct one for making a the application appointment? Cheers
Hi, where did you print your Carta de Resolucion please?
Hi Derek.
I have the letter confirming the date to collect my TIE. Is this sufficient as proof to get back into Spain from the UK
Yes, that usually does work.
Hey Derek, I got my Visa and need to get my stuff for the TIE. Did they indeed need the Empadronamiento? I have an Airbnb booked and I did not know if they are able to give me a lease or something. Have you heard of any information for someone who is in an Airbnb to get something for the Certificate?
Hey Victor – You simply need to have a contract for at least a 6 month lease to get the Empadronamiento. So if you have a contract for 6 months, simply bring that Airbnb proof that you have booked for 6 months or the more official lease if you have signed one. If your rental is for less than 6 months, you’ll need to figure out another plan as they only accept rental agreements of 6 or more months unfortunately.
Thank you, when you you went to your appointment, did they need the Empadronamiento. The Visa application from the consulate in San Fransisco say that all I need is the Visa, Form EX-17, Proof of Fee Payment which I believe is the Form 790 012, and the passport pictures. But I have received multiple different responses in the past for other stuff from Spanish Officials.
You only need the Empadronamiento when you go to apply for your TIE once in Spain.
Perfect I was able to get the TIE but have to wait 40 days to pick it up, do you happen to know why this takes so long?
Hello Derek ;
I’m a student in Barcelona in February I made my city hall registration and got my TIE too late in April,
My TIE ended by July 31.
Now I got new visa with the same NIE number and I want to get my TIE too
I wanted to know if I have to go through the whole process again? Or what’s the validity of my old city hall registration since my old Tie got expired?
Thanks in advance
Hi Derek, quick question if you don’t mind. I am sure it will be important for others too.
I will be renewing my residencia no lucrative for the first time this coming October.
Can I still show my bank balance from OUTSIDE Spain, or will I have to move the entire amount to Spain? (Hope not!)
Two different immigration attorneys (both not from Valencia) are giving me conflicting info. One, from Andalucia, says yes, the US is no problem at all. While the other, from Barcelona, says that at least 50% of my money needs to be in Spain.
What did you have to do to renew?
From what I know, you do not need to have the money in Spain. It can be from outside of Spain, at least for the Non-lucrative visa. I don’t know how the other visas work though.
Do I need a work contract to apply for tie.
I have padron health insurance proof of address and rent paid
It depends what visa you have. If it is the NL visa, you cannot work so you should not bring a work contract. Other visas have different rules.
Hi, Derek- My husband and I got our TIE for one year, but now have to reapply for the next two years. Do you have any advice on doing that? Thanks much!
Hey Kara – I have not reapplied for the TIE so unfortunately I don’t have much info on that process.
Hi Kara,
Did you have any luck finding any information on the reapplication process?
Thanks
Joseph
I recently made my application for TIE at Alicante. I had a green residency card but had changed address since obtaining it therefore I took an up to date Padron. When my application was processed the lady kept the Padron. Will I need another Padron when I go to exchange my geen card for my new TIE?
Hey Iain – I’m not too sure as I’ve never had to exchange a green residency card for a TIE. I really don’t know how that process works.
Hi Derek! very informative blog. thank you so much, I followed all the instructions you mentioned and I received my residency card a few months ago.
I have a question regarding how to get a work permit in Spain
Now that I have a non lucrative visa, which will expire on the 25th of December 2021, I want to start working in Spain if possible.
my question is how to do that?
Do I need to get a job offer first and then use it with my other renewal documents when I apply for renewal in December?
any details you have would be much appreciated
thanks a lot in advance
That is great to hear, congratulations!
With a non-lucrative visa, you are not able to work in Spain. That’s part of the rules – no work allowed with this visa.
I have my renewal for my NLV approved, and an appointment for my renewal TOMA DE HUELLAS (EXPEDICIĆN DE TARJETA) Y RENOVACIĆN DE TARJETA DE LARGA DURACIĆN next week. The problem is I have a 2 month holiday planned outside of Spain leaving 2.5 weeks after this appointment. QUESTION — If the new TIE card is not ready in 2.5 weeks (it usually takes 1 month) is there any risk of waiting and picking it up after my trip? Will the office still have it?
Hello.
To renew, did you show the money in a Spanish bank account? Or was your savings still outside of the country?
Trying to understand if I need to wire the funds here or hopefully not.
Hi A,
How did you go with your renewal? Was it a difficult process and did you use any resources to assist? Would you mind sharing if possible?
Many thanks
Hi A, what was the result here? How long did they hold your tie card?
My question is: how do you renounce your Spanish TIE? I am not yet tax registered and have decided I don’t want to be!
What did you find out about this?
Also, what happens if you get your TIE and are out of Spain for more than six months this year, do you lose the TIE ie you canāt renew it next year?
Any questions raised/ advise given on fact that once TIE holder you are now tax resident subject to tax on worldwide income and need to declare all assets over 50k euros in selected categories of property/ cash/ investment?
Despite what is popularly – but wrongly – believed, holding a TIE does not mean you are tax resident. The right to residency afforded by a TIE is a separate matter from tax residency. To retain the TIE, one has to spend at least 180 days a year in Spain. Technically, it’s actually not a question of days but of nights so I will say “nights” from now on. If one spends 183 nights a year (or more) in Spain (and I vaguely recall reading somewhere that the magic number is actually 183+1 i.e. 184), then one falls under Spanish tax residency. But whether one actually ends up being tax resident in Spain depends on one’s tax status elsewhere and, in the event of two countries having a claim to one’s tax residency, the resolution of that “conflict” via the double taxation treaty between those countries.
Of course, the foregoing generally means that most people spending enough time in Spain to retain their TIE will exceed not only the 180 nights required but also the 183 (or 184) that tips them into tax residency. But I repeat my original point that having a TIE does not automatically imply tax residency even though, in the majority of cases, the former will lead to the latter.
Tax residency and TIE immigration residency are two different legal categories of residency. According to the treaty and laws of the U.S. (And I would guess throughout the world) a person can have more than one residency. One can have “dual tax residency”. If one is a U.S. citizen and has a U.S. based physical address (defined in the treaty as a permanent place that is AVAILABLE to live) and pays U.S. taxes, one is considered a U.S. tax-resident. One is also a tax-resident of Spain after 183 0r184 days/nights… whatever. So one CAN be a DUAL TAX-RESIDENT. One needs to consult an attorney familiar with the treaty to navigate within the rules and definitions concerning DUAL TAX RESIDENCY. According to my reading of the treaty and an advertisement from a Barcelona law group, one can be exempt from Spanish taxes and only pay U.S. taxes if the requirements (or tests) of the treaty are met. I’m not an attorney. I have read the treaty but am not an expert in its application. I will not be subject to taxation until 2024 so I haven’t tested it yet. I will interview and find an attorney or law firm that specialises in this aspect of the treaty. The potential savings of taxes offsets the legal costs significantly if the exemption holds true. I am pursuing this with an NLV so there are no Spanish income issues.
If I am going to collect my TIE card, can Iām pick up my underage daughterās card without her present if I bring her passport and confirmation certificate? Or is it mandatory that she attends the collection?
Hi I have heard that after you get fingerprinted for your Tie card you can check on the internet that your cards are. Ready to collect, do you know anything of this and if so do you have a web address please.
Hi, I have been told the same and was directed to the national police website; but of all the government sites I’ve tried only MIR allow access to pending transactions and there is nothing there in my name. I have a digital certificate (which is necessary) but can find no link to use it in the national police site. Hope Someone can help.
Hi wonder if you can help – I am completing the EX23 as we have green cards but just above where you sign is …………., a ….de …………de……….
Any idea what they want here?!
That’s the location, followed by the date.
I did exactly all of this and when I went in today, was asked for the documents from my “first” appointment, What first appointment? They sent me away and told me to come back when I had my green papers. I am so confused, I cannot find any information on how to apply the first time. I cannot do anything electronically as my gestor has the digital certificate for my social security number.
Hello derek
I have a question, i went through the entire process of residency card renovation and Iām expecting that any time soon, but the problem is that there are no appointments available for here in malaga right now and i need the card for an urgent travel.
Do you know if i can travel within Europe with the recipe that i have that proves I renewed my residency card?
Ps: Iām not from Europe.
Hey Naz – If it’s temporary residency, the card won’t be valid for the rest of Europe. You can exit and enter Spain with the receipt that proves you renewed the residency card but that’s only for Spain. It doesn’t allow you to enter other countries.
Hi, I wonder if anyone can clarify if the fee for the tax form 790-012 once paid can expires if not used with a certain time. I paid my 12 euro fee through the bank and still have the form which is stamped by the bank on 23rd October 2020. I only received the favourable ruling for the residency on 29th March 2021 and have an appointment for the TIE on Tuesday 13th April 2021. Can I still use the tax form that was paid and stamped by the bank in October 2020
It does not expire. We used one we had paid for months earlier. Itās proof you paid. Use it as fast as you can as you never know when they will increase the fee
Thanks Derek for all the info, very interesting. I will reference it on my site as well due to the fact that it is now a hot topic for Brits due to Brexit.
Hello Derek.
I am now waiting to collect my T.I.E after this can I travel abroad. Is there any rules I need to follow ? Or be aware of.
We have property to sort out in the u.k.
Thanks for your help.
Hi Derek,
I was wondering, if I already have a green residency card is it still the āPolicia ā Toma de Huellas (Expedicion de tarjeta) Y Renovacion de Tarjeta de Larga Duracionā that I should choose? I heard there was a way of skipping the toma de huellas part if you already have the NIE.
My other question is if you have to book your appointment in the same place you’re empadronamiento is registered or if you can make the appointment in another city?
Thanks for your help!
Sophie
Yes, I hope Derek replies here. I am in the same boat as you. I would like to skip toma de huellas step as I am in Basque country and there are no appointments for Bilbao. I can go to Santander in Cantabria, but I’m not sure if that’s frowned upon. I just want my TIE so I can do normal things like get a decent internet plan
You need the toma de huellas cita to apply for your TIE Residency card. Having an NIE only doesn’t mean anything. That is merely a tax number. If this is the start of your first year of residency after receiving an approved visa from a Consulate in the US, you must get that cita which includes the huellas.
… and yes, you have to book the appointment in the same province you live in.
It has to be done in city you live in and have done the PadrĆ³n for. The only exception is if the court or province has more than one office. However you must stay in the province.
Hi guys,
Love this blog; so informative and a great collective spirit.
Iāve another question – does anyone have any experience with getting a COVID vaccination in Spain, specifically Barcelona?
I reached out to my insurer (Sanitas) and they have advised that everything will go through the public system and Foreigners residing in Spain, with more than 3 months of residency, will have access to the Covid vaccination free of charge.
So far, good news.
However, its not exactly this straight forward. In order to be able to register for the vaccination you need to register with the local health service, whom require you to first register with Social Security (INSS).
Does anyone have any experience with this? Iāve reached out to a few Gestorās but they have been unable to provide assistance with this service.
Thanks
Joseph, I just read your question. Hopefully you have been able to get vaccinated by now. If not, here is what we were told by our health insurance (Adeslas): Go to your local public health center with your residence card and empadronamiento, and ask for a SIP de pago card. It is a temporary card that is free of charge and will put your name on the public health system. They will then contact you usually via SMS with appointment dates for first and second doses, when your age range is being vaccinated. Within one week of getting our SIP cards in Valencia, my husband received his notice. Mine was a week later. Second doses this week and next! Best of luck!
Hi Kim,
Thanks for the reply, Iāve just seen it.
I was able to get vaccinated within days of my age group becoming eligible once I had registered online with the local health authority.
Thank you so much, Derek, for posting all this useful information – you have been a lifesaver throughout these processes. I share your website with everyone I know who is going through this. Appreciate you!!!
Thank you for that Lola, I’m super happy to hear that! I wish you all the best with the process!
Hello derek
I have a question about the medical insurance
I cancelled the original medical insurance i presented for the embassy now i want to make new one can i make the cheapest packages from dkv or santa lucia which are for emergency and doesnt contain a lot of futures
Thanks derek
Hey Eyad – I don’t know about those. I simply used Sanitas and was very happy with them.
Hi Derek,
Thanks for all of the useful information. Just curious, which bank did you go with initially or recommend? The reason that I am asking is we are actually in Valencia now as of 1 week and are having a problem establishing a bank account without having our TIE card in hand. We just arrived here with our visa so of course we still have the appointment for that coming up over the next few weeks. It seems like the only account we’re able to open is some time of special “foreigner” account.
Was wondering what your experience was like?
Thanks
Hey Rob – I actually didn’t set up a bank account in Spain so I’m not sure how that is handled. I just kept my banking in the US as that was the easiest for me.
Hello Earl,
Thanks for all the information you have provided. We are very grateful. I have a tip for all your readers and followers. If you have a NIE and are having a problem getting a Cita Previa for the Padron. Do yourself a favor and apply for a Certificado Digital. The Cita Previa for this CD via the ayuntamiento takes longer. However, if you go to the Conselleria it takes minutes plus the CIta Previa is within a few hours. https://www.gva.es/en/inicio/procedimientos?id_proc=3008
Hi, I’ve live in Barcelona 25 years and have a long term residence permit. How and where do I go to get a TIE card?
Can someone help me please?
Hi, I have been waiting 3 years for a Residentia appointment in Almeria having had the 1st application turned down as, whilst all other paperwork was in order, my Marriage Certificate needed an apostille which was duly done. Yes 3 years was right and not a typing error! I have somone acting on my behalf and she doesn’t understand the delay and tells me to be patient! I have famlly members I haven’t seen for 3 years as I’m told it’s not a sure thing that I’ll be allowed back into England – Hopefully, you will have dome good ideas re. this state of affairs!
Hello Rob,
Go to Santander Bank. We went to a branch located in La Alameda at Carrer de les Arts GrĆ fiques, 12, 46010 ValĆØncia, Valencia. The staff at this location is extremely helpful.
Hey Rob,
We had the same problem.
We opened up an N26 bank account. It gave us a Spanish iBAN.
All the other banks turned us away as we are only had NIE but not the tarjeta. Very rude too!
Good luck!
Perhaps you already resolved your issue but maybe someone else will be helped by this.
Hi Derek,
I am from the uk and came to Spain in Novemeber 2020. I have a NIE, Padron Certificate, and I’ve applied for the TIE in December but have not heard anything back? I do not have a green certificate or TIE card, is there anything I can do as I need to travel outside of Europe and im worried I will not be able to enter Spain again?
Hi,
If you have the Green NIE card it is a legal document to enter Spain again as a resident, I would also carry with you the proof of application for TIE as they will request it upon entry, the TIE is replacing the NIE green credit card style residency document but is not mandatory as yet. It has taken me 5 months to receive my TIE, I already had a green NIE card so entered to a n from Spain with no problem using the documents I mentioned.
We arrived December 21 and since then weĀ“ve been trying to get an appointment for the empadronamiento and for the T.I.E. There havenĀ“t been any appointments since and I tried every single day. I even tried faxing our information to the office that handles empadronamiento and was told it they could not help me since the process is only available to people previously empadronados. It is kind of a hopeless situation. However, all we can do is keep trying.
Hi Fernando,
I had the same problem until one evening I sat down for over 90 minutes and just kept applying for a time. Eventually it worked and I was able to secure an appointment the following day.
Good luck!
Thanks Joseph. Iāll give it a try. It sounds like a scene from the movie Ā«Ā The 12 Tasks of AsterixĀ Ā» The Place that sends you mad.
Hi Fernando,
I discovered that our local office releases appointments at exactly 8:30am every work day.
They are all gone by 8:45…perhaps your office is the same.
They didnāt write anywhere that they release at 8:30, but after 3 or 4 days trying at different times, I discovered this.
So maybe try around this time?
Good luck!
Hey Derek – is there a number of days to pick up the TIE? For instance, “must pick up within 90 days after appointment” I had my appointment back in December 14, but will be picking it up by the end of the month.
Hey Jessica – It is supposed to be 30 days when it’s ready but I don’t think there is an official time you must pick it up by. With that said, I personally wouldn’t wait too long as I wouldn’t want to show up and the TIE is no longer valid.
Hello rana, i wonder if you can enlighten me.. here’s my case.. im currently in spain with 2 yr old daughter.. we recently got our eea family permit. My question
Hello derek,
Just wanna ask my 2 yr old daughter doesnt have yet spanish passport or residency card but she has non-eu passport and we are planning to enter UK since we applied for UK visa. Will there be any problem when going out of spain without residency Card? She already have spanish birth certificate but got expired and registro civil is taking forever to release new one thats we havent applied yet for her spanish passport. Are we going to be question at the airport for her not having residency card.. please enlighten me..
Hey Famela – It should be okay but I would check with an immigration lawyer just to be extra certain.
Hi there, this seems like a really useful and informative site so I am hoping someone is able to help me. I have my T.I.E and I need to Travel to the UK however my passport expires in May and on the Gov.uk site it states that to get back into Spain one needs 6 months minimum on the passport. What isn’t clear though is if this is just for non Spanish residents. Does anyone please know? Thank you very much in advance, Mel
Hi all,
Derek, thanks for the invaluable information youāve put together here, it has assisted me in navigating the entire Non-Lucrative Visa process.
I do have a one question that perhaps you or one of the other visitors to the page could assist with ā I have tried tonight to make my TIE appointment; however the website is indicating that no appointments are available in Barca at this time (COVID?). It does provide a link to another page which then directs you back to Internet pre-appointment page (https://sede.administracionespublicas.gob.es/icpplus/index.html) aka the beginning of the TIE process. And so it goes.
Any advice or assistance would be gratefully welcome as Iām rather stumped.
Many thanks
Hey Joseph – Thanks for commenting. I’m not too sure how to deal with that situation though. I’m just a blogger who went through the process myself but I didn’t face that issue. Perhaps someone else following this post will know what to do and share their thoughts.
Hi,
Does anyone have any experience with obtaining the Certificado de Empadronamiento in Barcelona? I ask as there appears to be zero appointments available in the next two months according to the website. Obviously I am wanting to do everything by the book here and am a little concerned that I won’t get done what I need to do in the specified timeframes – I arrived on the 21st of January and only secured a suitable apartment on 5 February and did not want to start the process before I knew I would have the required paperwork. Clearly I did not think that it would be so difficult to obtain an appointment.
Thanks
If you have a NIE and are having a problem getting a Cita Previa for the Padron. Do yourself a favor and apply for a Certificado Digital. It may allow you to get all your business for the padron done electronically. Make sure you let the clerk know that you have the NIE on your passport.
https://www.barcelona.cat/internationalwelcome/es/tramites/certificado-digital
Hi Derek, thanks for the info above. Itās really useful!
Does anyone know if you need to leave Spain before your appointment for the TIE (to take fingerprints) can you re-enter Spain with la concesiĆ³n document as a 3rd country national under current Covid rules? So non-eu citizen. Does the resoluciĆ³n de concesiĆ³n give you the ability to enter again with UK passport if you have to leave and return before the TIE appointment with current Covid rules?
Thanks
Adam
Hey Adam – I’m not too sure if anything has changed with the Covid rules. But before Covid, you could leave before your TIE appointment and return without any issues.
Hi Derek – That really helps to know and definitely gives some confidence that it could be possible, thanks! Iāll ask about next week and post back here if I find a definitive answer
Sounds good Adam!
Hello Derek,
Thanks for all the help. One quick question:
Due to the wait time for getting the empadron (finding a flat took a week, and then the appointment was a month out), it looks like my appointment for the TIE will not fall within the first 30 days of our stay in Spain. I’ve been told that this is fine, assuming I schedule my appointment for the TIE within the first 30 days… is this true? Oddly enough, to schedule an appointment the is after my appointment for the empadron, I will have to wait beyond the thirty days, as the appointment website only offers meetings that are before I would receive the empadron.
Do you have any words of wisdom to offer?
Thank you!
Hey Luke – It shouldn’t be a problem. I didn’t schedule my TIE appointment until after 30 days and nobody said anything. From what I know, everyone understands that it can take longer than 30 days and so it’s not a problem.
Hi Derek,
I am finding it difficult to get an appointment in Alicante for TIE card, so I made an appointment in Murcia. When I got there I was told that I had to go to Alicante because I live in that region. Is this correct? I have been trying every day for two weeks now with no available slots available.
Hey Hillie – Yes, that’s correct. You need to make an appointment in the area where you are living.
Many thanks for your reply. I will keep trying to get an appointment in Alicante.
hi Hillie,
If you are trying online just ring them, I had to do this for Valverde-their online appointment system is not running.
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Hi Hillie,
Iām living in Murcia and I had to try for about 3 weeks to get an appointment. They pop up a lot around midnight and early morning (4-6am) so maybe try that! Iāve also heard rumours that Friday at midnight is the best time to get it, but mine I got on a Thursday at 1am. Hope that helps!
Hello Derek! My dad (your namesake) had his TIE appointment on the 17th November and should be able to pick his TIE up from the police station in Malaga on the 17th December, however, there police station where he did the TIE process does not come up on the list when trying to make an appointment…I assume because there are no appointments. Is there a time limit to when he can go and collect his TIE? Does it matter if it’s after Christmas? (mid Jan perhaps). Many thanks! š
Hey Amy – From what I know, most regions in Spain don’t require an appointment to pick up your TIE. As long as you have your stamped document that they give you when you apply, and 30 days have passed, that’s all you need when you go back to the police station.
I applied for my tie on the 3rd December is there any possibility I can go collect it on the 24th?
Because I have to travel on the 28th
Hey Jane – From what I know, you can only collect it after 30 or more days. When I was there, they would not let people in the building if it was less than 30 days from when they applied.
Yes…. should be more than 30 days around 40…
I just got mine yesterday.. finally and i applied in october the 30th… and they told me make the appointment for collecting the tarjeta after 40 days…
Hi Ahmed, Just curios to know. when you got there did you need an appointment to collect your card or you just went in with the stamped document given at time of fingerprint? mine is atleast 40 days by monday and i badly need it.
Hi there appreciate the information you provide. I am awaiting my residency card in Spain that is due around the 31st of December (30 days from my appointment). I hold a British passport and I am currently in the USA visiting family. I was planning on returning to Spain after the new year. Will I be able to enter at that point or should I plan on traveling before the 31st? What are my options? Can someone else pick up the card on my behalf? Any insight would be welcomed.
Hey Jacob – First, nobody can pick up your card on your behalf. That does have to be you. As for getting back into Spain, as long as you have that stamped document / proof that your TIE has been applied for (the document they give you when you apply), that should be sufficient to get back into the country. And it’s okay to come back after the 30 days.
Thanks so much for your reply. You have been super helpful. I have a few more questions if you don’t mind answering.
Do I need to make an appointment to pick up my residency card?
Do they ever take longer than 30 days to create your card (30 days would be the 31st of December in my case)? I was going to fly there from Dec 31st – January 6th, *make an appointment if need be, and pick it up then. Would you recommend waiting longer than 30 days to assure that it’s ready?
I want to make sure that I can obtain my card in the time frame that I am there so I don’t have to make multiple trips between the states and Spain.
Hey Jacob – You don’t need an appointment to pick up the card. But I’m not sure about their office hours over the New Years period. You’ll probably want to check on that somehow to see if they are closed for some days around that time. From experience, unless their office is closed for a holiday, they generally don’t take longer than the 30 days. But of course that’s not a guarantee. You don’t have to collect it on the 30th day. You could always go one week later and collect it then.
In the Murcia region you certainly do need an appointment to collect your card. When the ‘lot’ that is shown on the document you were given at your application appointment you may then make an appointment online using the specific option to collect a card. Currently, due to Covid restrictions you cannot get through the front door without proof of appointment.
Hey Malcolm – That’s good to know as that’s the first I’ve heard of needing an appointment to pick it up. Thanks for sharing! For other regions, it seems that you simply present the stamped document that they give you when you apply as that has all the dates on it.
Hi,
I’m from Canada (resident only) and trying to apply for Family- class visa for Spain. My husband (EU citizen) and my son are there. One of the requirements is to get a Government Resolution from Spain. Can you tell how to get it and if you have a picture example of it? My husband doesn’t know how. Please i really need to be with them ASAP. Can you help me? . Thank you.
I had my original appointment on Sept 4, 2020 and today when I checked my application it had changed from “En tramite” to “No favorable”. I’m in a panic now! Do you know anything about an appeals process? I have a lawyer who has been waiting for my TIE to come through so he can register me as Autonomo and I can start paying into the Spanish tax system, so I’ve notified him straight away, but if anyone has any advice I’d appreciate it.
It has been 4 weeks since I am not getting an appointment. Can you tell me when and when it opens till? (tenerife ) I try to get an appointment every day but it does not come out. He says that we do not have an appointment right now. It has been happening for four consecutive weeks. Can anyone help me with how many hours the site remains open.
Hi Robin. You have to try, try, try, and try!
Unfortunately, the lack of appointments is way too common.
I managed to get appointments here in Valencia for all 4 of us in about a week of trying, and after logging in probably 50 times a day… at least.
Use your PC whenever you can, or use your smartphone when you are in line or on public transport.
I used the autofill function of my Chome browser. This way I didn’t have to fill in my name and details every time. Saves tons of time.
Just keep trying every moment you remember.
After a while you will start noticing patterns, For example, in Valencia, appointments appeared around 3:20 PM. But i have heard that in Madrid and Barcelona the magic time is in the morning. 8 am or 9 am. So its all individual.
We have noticed a really weird thing about the appointment (cita pervia) system. If you access it via a computer it will say no appointments, but if you go to the same website on your mobile phone you will see there are appointments available. I can only assume they want to to use a phone because the final step in the getting an appointment process is for them to send you a code by SMS that you have to type into the webpage.
I am currently in Spain doing the Auxiliares de ConversaciĆ³n program, and am looking into coming home for the holidays. I’d fly from Madrid on December 18th ot 19th, 2020 and come back to Spain on January 9th, 2021.
I am currently on a student Visa, which has multiple entries and expires on January 13th 2021, and had my TIE appointment on November 6th, 2020.
The problem I am having is the Recogida. The only appointments available would be after I come back from the holidays back home.
The appointments available are also past the 30-45 day pick up, if I make my appointment for January 11th, 2021 Recogida, and I have the proof that I have a card, will I have any problem coming back into Spain to finish the program?
Hey Derek,
Tow questions please
Today I had appointment for TIE (1 year non lucrative residency) and they ask me to come after 1 month. Is it possible to pick up the card before that time? Any website to check the exact date of the issue?
The counting of 183 days staying in Spain will start from the date of entry to spain or the TIE appointment date or TIE Issued date?
Hey Tony – You need to go in one month to pickup the card. It’s not possible to get it earlier. They make it easy for themselves by just saying 1 month to everyone, which causes less confusion. So unfortunately, there’s no way around that from what I know and there isn’t any website to check because it’s always 1 month until it’s ready. The 183 days starts from the day you entered Spain.
The whole system has now changed to an online system for registering your documents before you apply for the TIE it involves registering for a digital certificate (same applies for padron certificate by the way but that uses a different digital certificate as it is controlled by local government) once you have your digital certificate you have to upload all the documents that are asked for, be careful you use the correct EX number application for because there are many – I am using EX20 as I am British and applying during the brexit transition period – once the form and your docs are uploaded you wait and you should within a few weeks (up to 3 months because of the backlog created by COVID) receive a notification that documents have been accepted and you then and only then using the same system pick an appointment from the range of dates offered – it aināt easy because of the COVID creating probs and because of the new digital system which is ONLY available in Spanish – my documents are in the system and Iām still waiting after 8 weeks – best of luck to all – Peter
Hey Peter – Thanks for sharing that information. I don’t think that applies to everyone though as I am hearing from people who are applying for the TIE without going through that process that you described, using the normal system. But it’s good to know that this could be the case for some people.
Hi Peter,
Thanks very much for sharing your comments. I’m in a bit of a quagmire as my Spanish isn’t good enough yet to work out all the various bureaucratic steps. I’m not sure how to get a digital signature and then submit my paperwork within the very short window I now have in this Brexit transition period. I have my NIE and padrĆ³n certificate in place but need to get my application sorted in order to obtain my much needed TIE. Any information and advice will be greatly received!!
Thanks,
Jas
Hi Derek, thanks for the comprehensive information. Your post is an invaluable resource for us as we’re applying for this visa! I have two questions: If all goes well, we will land in Spain end of January. Will we be able to travel for a week before we start our paperwork on that side, of should we rather start immediately? Second question: We would like to stay in Oviedo up until the school holidays. In the school holidays we would like to explore some of the rest of Spain (eventually we would like to immigrate to Spain and are still looking for business opportunities, which we’d like to view during that time). This will give us 4-5 months in Oviedo. Do they require a 6 month lease? Or can we rent for, say 4 months at a time?
Hey Annelize – You will need a 6 month lease in order to get the empadronamiento document (proof of address) which you need to get in order to obtain your TIE card. You can travel for a week no problem but I would try and get appointments for empadronamiento and TIE as soon as you can because something the wait can be long for an available appointment for either one or both.
Hi there, thank you so much for the information regarding how to obtain TIEs as foreigners in Spain. My husband and I have been issued Non-Lucrative Visas which are valid from December 30 to April 14th (for 104 days). Given the Covid situation, we have decided to enter Spain sometime in March. However, I have heard from others that we need to have landed and received our TIEs before the expiry of our visas (April 14). Is that true? What happens if for some reason we haven’t received our TIEs by that time? Would we be considered illegal residents if waiting for TIE appointments or having attended the TIE appointments but still haven’t received the TIE cards even after our visas have expired?
I would appreciate your response in advance!
Hey Shiva – From what I understand, you simply need to enter the country within those 3 months and begin the TIE process as soon as possible. If you have your NL visa already, you should try to book appointments now for your empadronamiento and TIE and book those for the week after you plan to arrive in Spain.
Thank you Derek for your response. I have heard that to book those appointments one might have a Spanish cell phone number. We are still in Canada and are planning on leaving at the end of the month and would like to be able to book for these appointments while we are still here to speed up the process. Is that true that a Spanish cell phone number is required to book for el Padron and TIE appointments?
I failed to press the button for sending me the TIE card collection appointment details by email. How can I get it now.
Hey Mike – I’m not too sure unfortunately. You can try the process again and if you enter the details it asks for, it might show you the existing appointment information.
Hi, what documents do you take when collecting your TIE?
Hey Lewis – You need a photo ID and the paper that they gave you at the end when you applied for the TIE.
Thanks for the info
Hello Derek
Thank you very much for the information you provided on your two articles which helped me a lot to obtain my NL visa and then the TIE.
I which you give us the update on the TIE renewal process, I believe you should have been through this already.
And also if you were able to open a bank account, as I was not able to do that after going to various banks they said, Sorry we can open a bank account for those who have a job in Spain!
Last thing would like to know if you had to pay taxes last year for your earnings outside spain.
Thanks Again!
Hey Derek, did you need to show a 6 month rental contract to get the Padron? Just arrived in Valencia this week and my appointment is the first week of November. Wanted to rent something for 2-3 months first before committing to a longer period. Also is there an app form you have to fill or just those docs?
Hey Bettina – Yes, you cannot get the Padron without a 6+ month rental contract. It is mandatory to get it unfortunately. And I just filled out the docs, no app form, except for the one to get the appointment.
Hmm if the property owner writes a letter to say you’re living with them and shows a copy of a month’s utility bills would that work? Saw in FB groups that some people said that could be an option but not too sure if that’s a supplement to the rental contract or a possible replacement
Hey Bettina – From what I was told, you need the letter from the property owner, their ownership papers, photocopy of their local ID (that has the address on it) and a utility bill for that option to work. I also did hear stories from some people that the owner had to come to the appointment as well to confirm. But I don’t think the requirements are consistent so it’s hard to know exactly what will work and what won’t.
Hi Bettina, how were you able to get an appointment for the Padron? Heading to Valencia as well and haven’t seen anything available appointment-wise in the reservation system for weeks now. Appreciate any advice.
Thanks
HI Rob, It is all online at the moment. I just had to fill in the form to get the empadronamiento and they will send it to you. The only problem I have is which empadronamiento to get. @Derek, any ideas? I am doing it due to Brexit and there are a lot of different ones to choose form!
Hey Dave – I only know of one official empadronamiento that the city office provides wherever you live. You can usually go to the main city hall or the local office in or closest to your neighborhood. It’s just a proof of residence in that city. There was only one option when I did it.
Thanks Dave. Did you already have an address in Spain? Or was the time you got the Padron the first address you had registered in Spain? I’m just asking because we just moved here and I’m wondering if I can still quality for doing it solely online given they wouldn’t have a previous record of any Spanish address in their system. Thanks!
Hello Derek, Just came across your blog! REally great info! I have been an auxilare teacher in spain three times over the last 12 years. I have been back in the US for four years and I have been researching ways to go back to Spain without being a teacher, but it is looking more and more difficult as it seems that is the best only/option. I read your NL visa post which was helpful, but also realizing they are becoming more strict on the not really working part is discouraging as I already do a lot of online work. But are you not really working while you are in Spain? I see you have an eBook, do those earnings not count towards income? I’m just thinking for my situation. Even if I have enough money saved, I always want to be working and earning more you know. I guess my question is, is there really any visa to work remotely in Spain? Or maybe I should just stick to reapply as aux teacher or getting a student visa and studying again. What are your thoughts on the best way for Americans to live in Spain and still earn money? OR maybe I’m just dreaming lol
Hey Lindsey – When I applied, it was less strict and people who work online but don’t work for any employer in Spain were given the NL visa. But now it is more strict and apparently you do need to sign a document stating that you will not be working at all while in Spain. So, for now, there really isn’t a specific visa for Spain set up for people who work online. To stay fully legal, the best option would be applying as an aux teacher or student.
Hi Derek, my partner has just gotten residency. We’re not married but have both lived together in Spain for nearly five years. When they go to the police station to change their residency certificate for the TIE am I able to also get the TIE based off their residency?
Hey Kelsey – If you’re on a non-lucrative visa, then no. You will also need to apply for the non-lucrative visa from an embassy/consulate in your home country in order to get the TIE. This visa does not allow for automatic residency of partners. Even married partners need to both apply for the actual visa.
So I left Spain when my TIE expired, got a new visa (from the USA) and came back to Spain. Do I need to ask for a new TIE or request a renewal? I am confused on the process if our TIE has already expired. Also, is it true for certain people the TIE was extended due to the COVID-19 Pandemic? If so, and my TIE is still valid, do I now need to renew instead of request a new one?
Great info thanks. We applied in Murcia city and rather than wait bthe 30 days, we were given a batch number to check on the internet. When your batch is notified on this site, you can go and collect. We have just had our batch confirmed so hopefully will be able to collect them easily
Good stuff, congrats!
Does anyone know where to bring documents to renew TIE?
Iām staying in Spain with no lucrative residence visa. My visa got approved as āfavorableā. Usually we book appointments online for renewing TIE, but they are not taking any appointments in Madrid in a month.
hey Derek, I have a permanent residency in Romania, and i’m not willing to cancel it. it is my priority. However, i have applied to a masters degree in spain and got accepted. So as a romanian resident, which type of residency or visa i should apply to to stay in Spain ? duration is 10 months. the only way to lose the romanian residency is if you stay outisde the country for 12 consecutive months so no worries from this side.
thanks in advance
Hey Hussein – I’m not sure the answer to that unfortunately as I’ve never had to go through that experience. I assume you simply need a student visa but not certain.
Hi Derek, great article. We have a holiday place in Spain and Brexit looming. In the future I think the non lucrative visa will be our route to spending time here. As you then get a TIE, does this transfer your tax affairs to Spain as well? Currently all our tax is paid and set up in the UK, to move it would be complex etc. Thanks for all the input on the thread as well.
Hey Lee – Technically, once you have the TIE you should set up your taxes in Spain because in order to keep the TIE, you need to spend at least 180 days of the year in Spain. And if you spend 180 or more day of the year in Spain, you’re then a tax resident. So under the rules, you will need to set up taxes in Spain but it doesn’t happen automatically with the TIE.
Hi Derek, thanks for the input and help
Hi Derek, I will be leaving Spain soon. How do I cancel my TIE?
Hey James – I’m not sure how to cancel it as I never had to go through that process. You could probably go to the main immigration police near you and ask them. That would be the easiest I’d imagine.
Just go through the same process as applying but select annul
Thanks for sharing that Chris! I had no idea that option existed.
Hey Derek, I’m trying to pull my letter of resolution but it can’t find it. The only thing I’ve been guessing is the date of the request. Which date did you use there? The one on the form that you delivered to the Consulate? Thanks
For me, it was the date that I dropped off all the paperwork at the Spanish Consulate in Miami and they accepted my application for processing.
DID YOU FIND OUT HOW TO GET IT ? I HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM
Hi Derek,
I have lived in Spain since 2006, I applied for my NIE, which I got, but then after 5 years, I got another green card saying that I was now permanent. I see that you are talking about visas, which I don’t have, just my green card. I am assuming that this will be good enough to get my TIE. I am finding it difficult to know what to do, a lot of sites says other things. I have downloaded some forms that I need to take, just need to have my photos taken. Could you give me anymore advise on this matter, please?
Thanks in advance,
Anne
Hey Anne – I’m honestly not too sure how it applies to your situation. My situation was based on the non-lucrative visa and what was needed after receiving that. But for long term residents with a green card, that’s a situation I’m not familiar with. But I imagine you don’t need a visa if you already have the green card. That should be sufficient I would think.
Hi Anne, I am in your position but have started the process of getting a TIE as a degree of reassurance. However, all information from the Spanish government at the moment states that the NIE (A4 form or smaller card) will remain valid and the TIE is optional. This link states the government’s position as of July 24: https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/Documents/GUIDE%20BREXIT%20eng.pdf
Do you HAVE to pick up your TIE card after 30 days or can you pick it up later. Need to be away for 2 and a half months after the residency appointment?
Hey Marion – I don’t remember the exact timeframe but I think you need to pick it up within 30 days after the date when it will be ready. I was away myself but I picked up the TIE two weeks after the date it was ready.
Can u leave spain after getting ur TIE? And just go back every year to renew?
Hey Hale – You need to spend at least 180 days in Spain (during the year that your TIE is valid) in order to renew.
Hello, Derek
I was in Spain since last February in an Erasmus Mobility program and I hold a national type D visa for 6 months studies, and got another scholarship for the next semester and made an extension from Spain. They told me, I have to Issue a TIE after receiving the approval for the extension for studies.
my question is : what would be the validity of the TIE ? ( first time issuance)
Hey Mahmoud – I honestly don’t know how it works for Erasmus programs. My visa was different than that one. Sorry!
For those people like me who are U.K. citizens asking if itās the same process – basically it is very similar and if you go to the gov.uk site and follow the link āliving in Spainā it gives very clear advice there. For U.K. citizens the TIE process has changed slightly as the residency will be marked as having gained the temporary residency during the transition period and is good provided it is applied for between 6 July 2020 and 31 December 2020. Also from the gov.uk site there is this link to the Gob.es site which provides the full process for U.K. citizens in English: https://www.lamoncloa.gob.es/lang/en/brexit/Documents/GUIDE%20BREXIT%20eng.pdf
Also right now the availability of appointments in Valencia is almost non existent because the system is overloaded but as other commenters have said just keep trying each day.
One question I have is that I am now renting an apartment in Valencia but given that itās difficult to get an appointment here, is it possible to have the appointments in Alicante for example even though Iām living in the City of Valencia, as Alicante is part of the Valencia region? Or is it an absolute that I do the appointments in Valencia city? … just asking as the Alicante appointments system seems to be working ok. Best of luck to everyone
Hi Peter, just curious on what you ended up doing with the appointment, did you end up going to Alicante? How did it work out? We’ll be in a similar situation in Valencia shortly. Thanks and best of luck!
Hi!
If I am staying for a friend – do I need some sort of letter from her stating I am staying with her? Would they require my name to be on the contract?
Hey Jessica – From what I know, you need to have a copy of your friend’s rental lease (if she rents) or ownership papers (if she owns the apartment/house), a copy of her passport or official ID and a notarized letter from her stating that you will be staying with her.
When I helped my friend get the Padron at my address, I did not need to notarize a letter, I just filled in a form at the town hall.
Hey Bob – I think it might be different depending on where you are applying. It seems to be normal that different parts of the country have different documents/requirements.
Thank you so much for the detailed information. I will soon be applying for my NLV through the Miami consulate as well. Hope everything works as smoothly for me as it did for you. What area in Valencia are you staying? Iām also thinking about Valencia
Hey Rossana – Good luck and I also hope it goes smoothly for you! In Valencia, I lived in a few different areas – the historic center, Monteolivete and El Cabanyal. The city is small enough that pretty much anywhere you live is relatively close to everywhere else1
Hi, TIE payment; my bank is open to the public for just 1.5 hours a day; closed today whilst I am in Q before I could pay!
Via my IBAN is there a way that can make a payment transfer to the TIA account?
There isn’t any other way to pay from what I know. You need to have that payment receipt/form from the bank with you when you go for appointment.
Derek, i am single looking to settle in spain, and trying to obtain an appointment for my residency (uk brexit) i have all required documentation nie, bank, health etc., although now confused regarding electronic appointment, and which procedure to click in the scroll down box, is it (certificado de residente o no residente) or another option, valencia province. i believed i had to complete a ex20 form to take to the 1st appointment, then a ex23 form to the police (2nd) appointment. have read so many different bits of information on this topic. please can you point me in the right direction.
Hey Mark – Thanks for commenting. Pretty much everything I know is in the blog post above. As I mention, I simply had to choose the province when I was trying to make the appointment. The only form I needed was the EX17. But my post relates to a Non-lucrative visa. I’m not sure what type of visa you’re trying to get? The process is going to be different for each type of visa/residency permit.
Hey Derek,
Both your non-lucrative post and this follow up post have been SUPER helpful for me and my boyfriend. We applied for our non-lucrative visa and moved to Madrid at the end of February. Once we moved here, we used this follow up post to determine how to apply for our TIE. Since you applied for TIE in Valencia, and we are applying in Madrid, I have some info that could be helpful to your readers.
We were not able to get an appointment for our fingerprints on our on in Madrid. It is practically impossible. This is well known in Madrid apparently and everyone here has the same issue. Appointment dates just aren’t widely available. When dates do become available, lawyers swoop in and scoop up all the dates making it basically impossible to get a date on your own. While there is a very small chance you can get a date on your own through the website you provided, we were not able to. We tried for 5 months, several times a day, every day, and could not get an appointment.
If anyone is trying to get an appointment for fingerprints in Madrid I would HIGHLY recommend contacting a lawyer. They have more insight into when appointments are available and they also have contacts who can help them secure appointments. After 5 months of trying, we contacted a lawyer and he was able to get us an appointment about 3 weeks after contacting him.
Our appointments are this week so fingers crossed all goes well! I’m sure it will since we’ve followed your advice (and our lawyer confirmed all looks good).
Just thought I’d pass the info along since I know this would have saved us a ton of time if we had just contacted a lawyer when we first got here.
Good morning. We have residency certificates, have had them for over 10 years and now due to Brexit, need to exchange them for TIE cards. Last heard they weren’t yet available. Do you know if they’re now ready for issue? There’s less than 6 months before the Extension Period ends, so concerned to have this sorted before then. Many thanks.
Hey Frank – I’m not too sure how the Brexit stuff is being handled unfortunately. Your best bet is probably to contact an immigration consultant that is working with other people in a similar situation as they would have the most updated information.
Hi,
Very helpful details. Thanks for that.
I am wondering if you know which other documents can be proof of address other than the rental contract. I will be staying at a friends place in Barcelona till I find a more parmenant home but I dont want to wait long to start the paperwork.
Hey Omar – If you are staying with a friend, I believe you need to have a written letter from the friend stating that you will be staying with them. It needs to have their address, proof that they own the apartment/home and their ID number. But it’s best to check with the specific consulate you are applying with because it seems the requirements are different for each one sometimes.
Hi Derek,
thanks for you good informations about the visa application to Spain. My question is about the requirements of the non-lucrative visa, i mean that i lived in Spain one year and now i just have re-new non-lucrative visa for 2 years.But i need to go back to my country, so i don’t have any informations that how can i keep this my 2 years visa without staying in Spain. Do you know something about that?Thanks
Hey Demo – I’m actually not at that point yet so I’m not sure how that all works. I believe there is a minimum amount of time that you need to spend in Spain in order to maintain your visa, so you just need to make sure you spend enough time in Spain by the time the visa is finished. But I’m still on my first year so I don’t know how it works beyond this yet š
Hi Derek. Great post! I do have a question. We received our NL visas in February and were set to fly to Valencia on April 1. š
The visa itself says “resident” on it, but I’m not sure if we will be considered residents for the purpose of entering the country, since entrance will be restricted to citizens and “legal residents”, possibly until late this year. Do you happen to know if having an NL visa is enough for us to be considered residents so we can enter the country without a TIE card? If you don’t know, do you know where we could even find out? The San Francisco consulate has not responded to our emails.
We’ll be arriving with our Labrador Retriever, so we can’t risk arriving and being denied entry.
Hey CJ – From what I understand in regards to this situation, until you have your TIE (residency card), you’re not an official resident and would not be allowed to go. There are several documents you need to get that TIE card and those documents are what prove you’re a resident. The visa is simply a visa that allows you to travel to Spain in order to finalize your residency. But that’s just based on my knowledge. Definitely pays to try and call the SF consulate?
Derek, piggybacking on CJ’s question, do you think that the NL visas will be extended? We were also planning a move to Valencia, on April 29th. Thanks for sharing all of this valuable information.
Hey Kim – Honestly, I have no idea but I doubt that they will be extended. That seems like a lot of organization required and given the situation in Spain, my guess is that they will be focusing on other things as they try to recover.
Good morning, also piggybacking… I am a member of “American Expatriates in Spain” (FB) and one of the members just made it to Spain from the US on an NL visa. They flew from Orlando to Dallas – Dallas Madrid. Here is the member’s post from June 17, 2020:
Our flight to Spain yesterday:
As US citizens with our recently approved NL Visas, this is how our trip unfolded…
Many people have asked if it is possible to enter Spain as US citizens without a Resident card (TIE) or without being citizens. Some have said it can’t be done, however, from the very beginning of the Covid-19 crisis when Spain closed it’s borders, we were assured in writing by the Miami Consulate that we would be able to enter. They added a caveat to that statement, basically saying once in Spain our second step to the residency process would be delayed as all government offices had stopped processing fingerprints and issuing Resident cards, etc.
A US citizen possessing a Spanish Resident Visa, in our case, Non-Lucrative, is considered a Resident (case closed).
We flew AA from Orlando to Dallas to Madrid. The Rep at the desk in Orlando got on the phone with someone because she wasn’t sure if we could fly, even though we pointed out our approved Visas. The person on the phone told her we were good to go. Baggage checked and on our way!
Once in Dallas, the desk Rep did not think we could fly either, until he spoke with another more informed employee. That Rep confirmed we were legit. He went back a few more times to the other Rep with questions before we got out boarding tickets. We were told they might take our temperatures there, pior to boarding and in Madrid. No temps required in Dallas.
On the plane, we were required to fill out forms asking where we were staying in Spain, how the authorities could contact us, if we had any symptoms of being sick, etc.
Once in Madrid, we passed through Customs and Passport control easily. There was a table where they were taking people’s temperatures but I think the requirement for that depended on what you wrote on the form, where you were headed and possibly up to the whim of the airport personnel. We told them we were going to Granada. We were told we could pass through without a temp check.
After a few checks into our luggage contents by Customs, we were waived through. We grabbed the Renfe train to Estacion Sur for the bus to Granada. Strangely the police there saw all of our luggage and stopped us prior to boarding. They questioned where we came from and how (US,airplane that morning, Madrid, train from the airport..) and wanted to know why we were going to Granada. We told them we lived there. They were satisfied with our answers and we got on the bus.
The airports and stations and planes and trains and buses we were in were almost empty. Madrid airport looked like a ghost town.
The forms we signed mentioned the two week quarantine (honor system) but Sanchez is ending that on the 22nd so in essence, we will quarantine one week here in Granada. We quarantined in the US and came from a low population density area… We always wore masks and stayed away from people in general so we know how to do this. We watched in horror as many Americans acted as if the virus just āmagically disappearedā. Knowing we were going to be in Spain soon we never lifted our guard.
And here we are in Spain!!!
Wish I had checked back earlier. Glad to know the Spanish government is accepting people with NIEs. My husband and I are finally catching a flight out of Panama on July 24 for Madrid and then on to Valencia. Although Panama has extended the closure of its airport another month, humanitarian flights are allowed and residents can fly on them. We’re on our way!
Hi Derek, that is not true. A resident visa holder is allowed to enter Spain during the pandemic. They are treated the same as residents who have the TIE. We confirmed this with the consulate in Miami. And the proof is in the pudding, so to speak, as my husband and I were allowed in a couple of weeks ago. The AA desk rep had to check with a supervisor and they verified we could fly.
Hey Patty – That’s great to hear you made it. My original comment was made back in April when my reliable sources informed me that Spain was not letting people who had the residency visa but not the TIE yet into the country. Now that things have been relaxed and borders are opening more, I’m happy to know that such people can now reach Spain. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Hi, write to the consulate but I think it depends on the situation.
My NL visa starts in 20 days, I’m living in Norway with a visa that expires in the end of June, and the consulate of Oslo told me it’s okay since there would be no other place where I could go since I’d only have Spanish residency.
But it’s a bit tricky since I’m already in the EU, then again, contact your consulate.
Hope everything goes well
Hi Derek, my my friend has an Extranjeros De EspaƱa tarjeta in Spain and wants to travel to the uk. What documents does he need to come over to the uk? Does he only need a visa?
Hey Damille – I’m honestly not too sure. It’s better to check the government websites as I simply wrote about my own experience here.
Hi. Can anyone suggest plz. Im UK resident living in Spain. My brother is Ukrainian citizen.
We applied for Tarjeta de residencia de familiar de cuidadano de la EU..so we recieved NO FAVOUR on website and that we hv to wait a letter resolution. Its been a month now obviously because of COVID everything is shut and slow. Im worried that by the time it come we won’t be able to appeal. Can anyone suggest what to do.. i called all possible numbers and emails but all say wait letter.
Thanks so much
Hi Derek,
Thanks for this useful information! Do you happen to know whether the TIE functions like a typical 180 day student visa? By this I mean: after the TIE expires, do you know if you’re able to stay in Spain as a “tourist” for up to 90 days?
Thanks!
Hey Leah – I don’t know the exact answer but I have not seen anything in all of my research and experience that states you can stay as a tourist after it expires.
Hi Derek,
Try to hang in there during this difficult time of isolation. You seem to be a very social person, and so this may be your best outlet to release that feeling of loneliness that hits us all who are used to being around others. I know it would be very difficult for me.
Thank you so much for posting all this info – your avid readers appreciate it, very much.
Do you recommend hiring a “gestor” to do all this? Is it simple enough that anyone can do it? Does it depend on the city where you live?
Thanks,
Hey Lola – Do you mean someone to accompany you to the appointments in Spain? It’s up to you. My Spanish language skills are ‘okay’ and I managed to do it on my own. But other foreigners I saw at the offices did hire people to assist them.
Hi Derek. Thank a lot for putting it pout for all of us. Its great info.
I am applying myself and learned a lot from it.
Just one small, but I think important, correction from the comments.
With a non-lucrative visa, you absolutely CAN travel in other countries of Schengen Zone for maximum of 3 months within every 6 months.
So occasional visits to Germany or whatever country is fine.
Hey Marat – Thanks. With the non-lucrative visa, I can go to Schengen countries for 3 months, which I can also do without the non-lucrative visa. So I don’t think there is much difference by having the visa.
Derek. You are right.
It will only make a difference if a person has NO visa-free access o Schengen by default, such as an Indian citizen for example. With non – lucrative residence they can travel around the Schengen zone as if they had the Schengen visa.
Applied for our residency today (in Santiago de Chile). Fingers crossed.
Well, technically is the same as going as a tourist, but in the day to day it may not be like that, I’m with a Working Holiday Visa in Norway and know quite some that having the same visa (1 year of living/working allowed) have gone more than 3 months to other places, say Spain or just doing tourism around Europe.
It has happened that some of these people gets stopped by cops for random checks (for example: crossing a border in a car) but even if one has been out of, say, Germany, they have no way to check (at least in a quick check) that you are not really living where you state that you are.
And since these are just quick checks to see that you’re not illegal in Schengen territory, cops won’t really dig in your particular situation (so far haven’t read/heard any stories like that)
Hello! I am going to be applying for my TIE next month and my wife is a non-eu citizen and is coming with me, I know I have to have residency first before she can get residency, but do you think there will be enough time in the 30 day period since it takes a month just to get the TIE? or would there be an exception because she is my partner? TIA
From what I understand, your wife will have 3 months to apply for the residency after she arrives. So you would want to have your residency secured as soon as possible. Keep in mind that you will need a marriage certificate issued from an EU country within the past 3 months before she applies for her residency.
Hi Derek,
Thank you for the write-up. I just got my residence card approved and I got my fingerprint scanned, and now I am just waiting for the one month period to get the physical card. I would like to know how do I exit Spain (to a non-EU country) to visit my family? My concern is my entry into Spain past way 3 month with the visitor visa in my passport stamp but I will be getting my Spanish residency card soon. So, will like the immigration officer look at my country of origin passport or showing my residence card (Tarjeta de residencia de familiar de ciudadano de la UniĆ³n) will do? Needing someone to clear my confusion! š
Hey DJ – You simply go through immigration as you normally would do. You show them your passport and your residency card and that’s it. They’ll still stamp your passport and nothing changes. By showing your residence card, it proves you have the right to be in Spain.
That’s not actually correct, Derek. (But your post is very precise and straightforward!) DJ mentioned that he was waiting to pick up his physical card and the original visa affixed to his passport is expired. With no physical card and wanting to travel (but having the residency application approved), he would have to request permission to travel at the local police station. It’s called an autorizaciĆ³n de regreso and it allows someone who doesn’t have their physical card to travel and re-enter Spain for up to 3 months. You can use the form for multiple trips in/out of Spain (but you must return directly to Spain and not through a connecting airport) but if it’s taken and stamped, then it becomes invalid and you would have to request another one. Given that we’re currently in a state of emergency at the moment, no one is traveling but a number of countries are allowing citizens of other countries to leave Spain and return to their home country. Just out of curiosity, what did you end up doing, DJ?
I hope this info is also helpful to someone else who might need it in the future! š
Hey Sarah – Thanks for the information! When I applied for my TIE though, they gave me a paper confirmation and said that I could also use that in case I needed to travel without having my physical card yet. Nobody mentioned the autorizacion de regreso to me. And I did leave Spain, and returned, without any issues even though I didn’t have my physical card yet and my original visa was expired by that point.
Derek is correct. When you apply for the TIE – they give you paperwork that is defacto proof of residency. You use that paperwork in place of the physical TIE card to go in and out of the country OR as ID within the country until you get the actual TIE card. You don’t need police permission to leave with the TIE paperwork pending processing of the physical card.
So does anyone have any idea if it’s possible to leave Spain and re-enter after your NLV visa has expired but you have NOT had your TIE appointment yet? We’re moving to Valencia on 9 Sept and from what I can tell, by the time we get our empadronamiento appointment and then our TIE appointment, I fully expect our NLV visa in our passports will be expired. We do want to travel to another EU country during this time (assuming Covid-19 will let us).
Any thoughts anyone?
TIA,
Jim
Great site,
Hi, if I own and rent a place in Spain to a tenant can I apply for TIE, non-lucrative visa? And for health insurance, can you pay for your own international if you have American health insurance that isnāt international? Can any of this be done at the Spanish embassy? I live in the Washington DC area and I am sorry if the question has already been asked and missed it. Thanks.
Hey Tiarnna – I’m not too sure in your case as that’s not how I applied. You would have to check with an expert for more details about that. For the health insurance, you need to purchase 1 year (in advance) of complete private health insurance from a Spanish insurance company such as Sanitas. You need to get their most complete policy that doesn’t have any deductibles and the full year needs to be paid in advance. You need to do it all on your own. You can apply for the Non Lucrative visa at the Embassy of course but you need to have all of the documents in order before your appointment as they don’t assist with anything.
Derek,
I went to the Government site you mentioned, ā¢Visit this government website and I could not find my province that I’m moving to, CADIZ which is a big place. Any idea why?
Hey Lou – I’m honestly not too sure. Perhaps they make you go to their specific, local government website to do it but that would be the first I’ve heard of that.
Hi Derek,
Very helpful information. So how goes your TIE renewal?
We’ve had issues because of time spent outside of Spain – thought we just had to have more than 6 months in Spain but turns out your time OUT of Spain is very important too. Do not spend any more than 180 days OUT of Spain in a year. Your TIE renewal will not be approved.
Hey Shannon – If you spend more than half the year in Spain, then it’s impossible to spend more than half the year outside of Spain. Everyone I know who has spent at least 6 months in Spain with this visa has be approved for renewal the following year.
Hey Derek, THANK YOU for the write up….making my life easy! How did you go about finding a place to stay?
Hey Sam – I used the services of the very helpful team at Globexs. They help foreigners find good apartments in Valencia.
Hi, is it possible to get the empadronamiento using a 6 months booking and then cancel the booking, i.e. leave earlier and not staying the whole 6 months?
You don’t need to stay the entire 6 months at all. You just need a 6 month contract in order to get the empadronamiento.
Hey Derek, thank you for the post really great.
My question is about annual taxes in Spain, I work abroad on shift (4×4 week) and of course my salary will be reported on bank statement.
Do I have to pay any annual taxes? if yes what is the percentage or the value?
Thank you.
I am not a tax advisor so you should probably ask a professional about that.
Thanks for the advice.
Hi thanks for all the info.
Weāre getting our docs ready to apply.
I was wondering if we can travel around europe during that 1 year?
And is there a limit on how many days i can be away from Spain during that 1 year?
Thanks in advance.
Hi Derek, do you have an article talking about whether you need to pay tax to Spain? I read somewhere that any worldwide income (e.g. online income) needs to be declared and we would need to pay tax. Also , I came across the concept of autonomo, not sure how this concept fits to this process. Could you please explain? š
Hey Carol – I have not written about that yet and it’s something you should research.
Hi Derek, is it possible to find a smaller town to live in order to get an appointment first and then move to live in another city after 3 months? Also, for the proof of address, is it possible to show Airbnb reservation for 3 months?
Hey Carol – You can move any time you want but you do need an intial contract for 6 months in order to get the empadronamiento, which is required in order to get the TIE.
hey Derek i have a question i have two visa one of them is Schengen visa and the other one is student visa type D and the student visa start in 2 jan but i come to Germany before that with my Schengen visa and on 2 jan i went to Barcelona and now Iām trying to apply for the TIE so there will be no problem because i donāt have a Spain stamp on my passport but i have a Germany stamp?
Hey Karim – I’m not sure. I don’t have that kind of experience with these visas. This post is simply providing instructions on how to obtain your TIE once in Spain.
Hi Need some clarification about this TIE card, I have been living and working in Spain as a resident for over 10 years, my partner is Spanish. Do I still need a TIE card? I have a Bristish passport born in Scotland.
Hey Rod – From what I’ve learned, with Brexit, you will now need to get a TIE card this year.
Hello Derek,
I finally applied for my non-lucrative visa last week…..they said I should expect an answer in the next 2 weeks.
My question is about the NIE number. Do you get it on the 90-days visa approval ? Thanks,
Yes, the NIE is on the visa when you get it.
Hi,
My girlfriend is a dentist from Columbia and is now living in Spain to study. She has received the Extranjeros Espana Estudiante card. I live in London, UK. I think this is the residency card but Iām not sure exactly.
Does anyone know if she is now free to the UK (or Ireland) there without a holiday VISA?
Thank you very much!
Richard.
Hello Derek, I am so glad I came upon ALL your information! It is the most concise I have found to date – had not seen some of the forms at all!
It is interesting how many of those commenting are going to Valencia. I am wanting to go there because I liked it several years ago!
I am going to wait until July to submit my application (have another trip already planned and want to make sure I am available ASAP as needed by the Consulate – and still am feeling a bit daunted by the paperwork. But you make it sound like it is a piece of cake! Thanks for the encouragement.
The Schengen rule thing while having a TIE is baffling me – the borders are open, so how do they track the time spent outside of Spain?
Just to confirm – is the TIE the same as the Retiree Visa? I heard that I can get one of those for 1-5 years.
Hey Edith – You are correct…there is no real way for them to track your movements in the Schengen area. They could check flight bookings but in reality, you could indeed travel around the Schengen zone without anyone knowing. And the TIE is the foreigner’s residency card (Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero). It is not a visa. It is the identity card that all foreign residents in Spain must obtain. Hope that helps!
Hi Derek, this is a very helpful post, especially so because my husband and I just received word today that our visa applications were approved! We leave for Valencia on April 29. I wonder if you could clarify “the date your visa application was issued”. I’m assuming you mean the date of our flight as that’s what the embassy has asked for. (We are applying in Panama, a long story) I also want to ask how important the 6 month rental contract is. We’ve rented an apartment through SpotaHome for 4 months only. It’s hard to commit to a longer lease without physically checking out the apartment and the neighborhood. If it’s a deal breaker, I’ll have to check if the apartment is available for another 2 months. Thanks so much for your help.
Hey Kim – You actually have 3 months to enter Spain from the day they told you that your visa was approved. So if your visa was approved on January 15th, you will need to enter Spain before April 15th or else the visa is no longer valid. And you will need a 6+ month rental contract in order to apply for the TIE. It’s a tough one as there’s no easy way to get around it even though it’s hard to commit to such a contract without seeing the place!
Hi Derek, if I just rent a room of an apartment, how can I make the proof of address?
Hey Carol – You can use that to get the visa but you need the owner of the apartment to provide a contract for you (needs to be for at least 6 months) and you will also need copies of their identification to bring with you. Once you get the visa, you will need to get the empadronamiento before you can apply for your residency card. To get this, you will also need the contract, the owner’s identification copies and sometimes a copy of the owner’s empadronamiento that shows they do officially live/own at that address.
Hello Derek,
I am a British citizen and I got my Spanish NIE number in October 2019.
I have been married to my wife for 4 years and she is a non EU citizen. This year she will be in and out of Spain due to still having her job back home but if using the schengen visa she will go over her time whilst in Spain during 2020 therefore we need to apply for a residency for her.
It states that when applying she needs to have have been in Spain continuously for 3 months from when she enters the EU. For her it’s impossible due to work commitments outside of Spain. Is it correct to say that she therefore cannot apply for residency or have I read incorrectly?
Thanks
I’m not too sure how that works. Not she could always apply from her home country and then enter Spain once she has the visa.
Hi Derek – very useful information. Do you know if it is possible for someone else to collect your residency card on your behalf? Based on my schedule will be away for a couple of months before coming back after my application for the TIE. Was wondering if my husband could collect both mine and his at the same time while I’m away? Thanks
Hey Aries – You need to pick up your TIE yourself. You cannot have someone else pick it up for you unfortunately. At least that’s what I was told.
Hey,
My spanish visa on passport shows only a valid period of 3 months.
But I got my TIE card made before.
Now can I travel across EU on the basis of my TIE card?
If you have the TIE, then you don’t need to worry about the Spanish visa any more. However, you cannot use the TIE to travel across the EU. If you are not a EU citizen, you still need to follow the requirements of each country you visit. The TIE only allows you to stay in Spain. It does not allow you to travel freely across the EU.
Hey Derek! Thanks for your helpful guide. I have just finished up the application process for the TIE and have received the piece of paper you mentioned confirming residency.
My question is – do you have any idea if I can leave Spain and return in the month before my TIE card is ready for pickup? I have had conflicting advice about whether or not the Spanish border guards will accept the receipt paperwork.
Many thanks in advance!
Hey Jakob – Yes, you are allowed to leave. However, you should have an actual visa in your passport that will allow you to re-enter Spain.
Hi Derek,
I am a student from India and studying for a master degree in Spain
1. Can I travel to UK with my TIE card?
2. I just got my TIE card, it is valid for 7 months! For example 12.07.2020 Will it be extended then?
Hey Jep – No, you cannot travel to the UK with yuor NIE card. You will need your passport and any required visas. As for the expiration, I don’t have an answer to that. Sounds like it finishes at the end of the school year. If you want to stay after that, you will need to apply again and hope you get it renewed. It won’t be extended automatically.
Thank you for your prompt reply, what about other european countries? Can I travel with TIE card?
No, you cannot travel to any other countries with your TIE. The TIE is only to allow you to live in Spain. There are no other benefits for the rest of the Europe.
Hi Derek, I am a little confused. Do you know if we can double-check it anywhere? Any official government site? Can’t find any official document, although here – http://www.ub.edu/uri/estudiantsNOUB/nie_en.htm and here https://www.ibei.org/en/residence-permit-nie-tie_124978 it says about TIE – “This is a document that allows you to live in Spain during your study period, as well as travel around the European Union and to countries that have signed agreements with Spain or the European Union for the free movement of persons”
I have to travel to Germany in January and I am wondering if I have to apply for the Schengen visa or I can travel with my TIE. Don’t want to take any risks.
My friend travels around Europe with his TIE card, recently went to Switzerland with no issues.
Thank you
Hey Leela – I’m not sure to be honest. I’m just a blogger who got this visa so I’m not an expert. Also, I received a non-lucrative visa which is different than a student visa so the rules might be different since they are different visas.
Hi Derek.
One question please. I have married a Spanish citizen and my TIE is still in process. Can i travel to another country with the temporary paper? My shengen visa is ending soon and i cant get a new one this year as i already stayed in spain for 3 months(max 3 months are allowed in a year)
The TIE or the paper does not allow you to travel to other Schengen countries. If you need a Schengen visa, you would still need a Schengen visa to travel to other countries. The TIE only allows you to stay in Spain.
Will my TIE card allow me to travel within Spain by airplane without a Passport?
Yes, you can travel domestically by plane with just your TIE card.
Once I have my TIE, can I travel to my home country (outside of the Schengen territory) and then come back to Spain? I’m currently in Spain as a student. Do I need anything from my university or is my TIE card enough to re-enter the Schengen territory?
Hey Fabiola – You will still need your passport but the TIE card will allow you to enter Spain.
Hey derek, please i need help!
So my Tie app is on 16th and on dec 18th my visa expire. Can i leave barcelone for urgent reasons ? What kind of paper should i get with me if i had to leave? And if i register for regresso it s giving me an appointment after a month.
Much appreciated
Hey Teddy – From what I know, if you leave Spain while waiting for your TIE to be processed, you’ll need to have a visa to re-enter Spain. But you should already have a visa if you are applying for a TIE. The TIE office will give you a piece of paper to keep while you are waiting for your TIE card to be processed but I don’t know if that is good enough to allow you to re-enter Spain. I left Spain when I was waiting for my TIE to be processed but as a US citizen, I could just return without a visa since I don’t need one to enter the country for up to 90 days.
Your comments are very useful for the newcomer or those who have been in Spain a short while.
I am having difficulty in finding the procedures for those of us who have been here for decades.
In my case I have the green EU form stating that I am a permanent resident in Spain.
From what I have read, that is all I need to secure my status here but there are advantages in having a TIE card even though it is simply changing a piece of paper for a plastic card.
How do I go about it? The town hall doesn’t know and even the police seem rather vague about it.
I live in Valencia province.
Any advice will be much appreciated by myself and my wife.
Thanks
Hey Eddie – I honestly don’t know the procedures for that unfortunately. As this was my first time applying, that’s all I know how to do. There are agencies in Valencia though, such as Globexs, that can assist with this as they know all the procedures and what steps you would need to take depending on your situation.
Hi Derek! Are you required to pay taxes on your foreign income with Hacienda or even declare your income to them? I would like to apply for the non-lucrative visa, but I will be working remotely for a US company. Is it possible to pay taxes to the IRS only and not deal with Hacienda? I’m finding a lot of conflicting information online…thx in advance!
Hey Ally – That’s a tough one to answer as technically, with this visa, you’re not supposed to be working at all. That’s where the confusion comes in. But if you do work and spend more than 6 months in Spain during the year (which is required to maintain the visa), you should be paying taxes in Spain. But again, that’s not what this visa is designed for.
Thanks a bunch Earl for documenting your experiences. You break down the process so nicely it almost seems like a breeze!
I have my appointment with the Spanish Consulate January 2, 2020 for non-lucrative visa! So excited. In the midst of getting all the required documents and your blog helped demystify š
Wondering about housing in Valencia. Did you rent a place before you arrived? And if so did you hire assistance? I’m looking at Idealista and see lots of good options, just not sure if I should move ahead on my own renting a place or should find someone local to help me through the leasing contracts.
Hey Julie – I wish you all the best with your appointment! As for renting a place, I wouldn’t enter into a one year contract until everything is all sorted with your TIE (which you can only do once you get to Spain). Also, to rent a place long-term, you generally need the TIE or else you’ll have a hard time finding someone who will rent to you. The TIE makes you official and without it, it’s too risky for someone to rent their apartment to you. I rented a place through Globexs. They have a large collection of short-term apartments available that are fully furnished. And it’s super easy to do everything through them. I rented for 3 months through them as a start.
Thank you Derek! I’ll proceed with the short term rental. Much appreciated.
Hey Derek,
My Visa is getting over on 29th January 2020 and I have the appointment for 30th January 2020. So can I get the appointment more earlier?
I have no idea. I’m just someone who got the visa, not an advisor š You just need to check the system and see if you can get an earlier appointment I’d imagine.
Hey Derek! I wanted to know if I can travel within the Schegen Area once I get my TIE? Like in my case, my TIE arrived a few days ago and I wanted to go to France and Germany for a vacation in December. Can I go ahead and make my bookings?
The Spanish residency doesn’t change anything about the Schengen zone. You can travel anywhere at anytime but for the Schengen zone, you can still only spend 90 days in any 180 day period. The only difference is the time you spend in Spain doesn’t count towards those 90 days.
Hallo Derek, I am a South African Citizen and have a valid Spanish Residency card.Will I be able to enter Norway for a visit of just a few days without any problems?
Thank you for all your useful input.
It depends on what kind of residency card you have.
Hey, Hi.
While my TIE is in process, can I travel outside EU ? Is it possible ?
Thank You.
Yes you can. You just need to be back to pick it up after 30 days.
A friend of mine wanted to know about the procedure… thanks for sharing…will be of a great help.
Dear Earl,
Thanks for the details for application for the non lucrative visa and eventual resident card.
I have been thinking for a while to do this eventually for myself. Issue is i am moving there alone and have no spanish friend there. Is there any way of getting a translator or someone somewhere to help at the office?
Hey Steven – There are companies in whatever city you plan to live in most likely who offer that as a service. You pay a fee and they have someone assist you, make sure you have your documents in order, they help you make the appointments and they accompany you to the appointments as well.
Hi Derek do you think its possible for me to travel in rome while im waiting for my tie?
If you’re allowed to travel to Italy on your passport then you can go. You can go anywhere while waiting for your TIE as long as you meet the requirements of entry, just like normal.
Tks Derek, these are the most thorough posts I’ve seen regarding this visa. It’s quite hard to find information in my native language (BRA Portuguese) since it’s mostly Americans that apply.
Did you translate your bank statement?
I plan on moving to Valencia as well, I hope you’re having a great time there.
Cheers!
Hey Eliseu – Thanks for writing. I did not translate the bank statements. It should be okay if they are in the language of the country where you are applying.